The Zornhau and Zornhau Ort

I was asked to prepare a video showing the correct way to execute a Zornhau and the most important follow-up actions. This video discusses the Zornhau, the Zornhau Ort, and the Zucken or Durchwechseln if your Zornhau Ort is displaced.

Demonstrators: Hugh Knight and Chris Bertell. Camera: Chad Cordero.
  • Alex flake

    What fechtbuch are you reading? This seems like a terrible idea just to sit there and wait until the last possible moment to put your sword out to bind. And also, Fechtmeister Lichtenauer clearly said "When you strike right step right, when you strike left step left." This means that no matter what position you are in, if your Zornhau isn't being made by the High Vom Tag as opposed to the Low Vom Tag, you should step either back or forth. That is the only time it would be ok to strike and not move your legs. If you really want to effectively perform a stabbing motion from a Zornhau on Zornhau bind, I'd suggest making a Zornhau from the High Vom Tag, make the cut which would bind the opponent's blade and also stop your sword to wear it is aimed in his face or chest, THEN step/thrust/both.On that note, at 4:24, his Strong is against your Weak. There is no way you are gonna be able to push his blade off to the side.BTW, I wpould think the only reason why fencers would have made a bind from Zornhau on Zornhau would be if they both attacked in the Indes, becuase if that were the case, they just so happened to bind their swords while trying to cut eachother rather than doing that on purpose. Otherwise, against a Zornhau, I'd prefer to step out and foward then make a Scheilhau, or maybe a Krumphau.

  • SlowMotionSword

    When you are binding in the zornhau, are you cutting into, hitting, the opponent's sword, or are you touching and then applying pressure? Roland Warzecha has recently put out a video on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQMCr88fk7A

  • j2112c

    Genius! Many thanks, this REALLY clears many things up for me.Subscribed and I will practice this tomorrow. 

  • Schlachtschule

    The von Danzig Fechbuch describes the Zucken as a thrust, but the Ringeck version says it's a cut (see fol. 41v--it's quite explicit). In truth, a Zucken is *any* attack that reacts to a high push by going to the other side of the blade. And the term Abnehmen is not the name of a technique, it applies to any situation in which you lift your sword out of a bind. As a result, it's not a good term for this technique, since this is about reacting to a press offline.

  • IaMaPh1991

    I may be wrong, but isnt the Zucken supposed to be a pulling action and a thrust to the other side of the sword, while the action shown in this video that comes off above the sword is what some sources call the Abnehmen, or the "taking off above"?

  • Schlachtschule

    Thank you. I'm glad it's helping people understand.

  • Schlachtschule

    Thank you, you are kind to say so. I'm glad they help.

  • MrOttmandus

    You have top notch instructionals. I learn alot from you.

  • Per Magnus Haaland

    great upload. great explanation. :)

  • ilvylain

    I'm just starting to look into this stuff, and wow... that was very clearly explained. I'm gonna definitely watch through some more later, y'know, when I don't have to go to sleep for work the next day. Thanks for uploading. :)

  • Schlachtschule

    I got the stance backwards--it's "shoulder's width apart side to side, and a little longer than shoulder's width front to back." My pardon for any confusion.

  • Schlachtschule

    @KhuranDixal No problem, these kinds of things aren't easy to discuss even with people who do speak the same language.

  • KhuranDixal

    @Schlachtschule no need to apologize, I'm not a native english speaker so I easily make mistakes like this. :)

  • Schlachtschule

    @KhuranDixal Then I apologize for misunderstanding. We use "static" to mean dead or stopped, which is far from what we're doing.

  • KhuranDixal

    @Schlachtschule Thank you for the suggestion, I'll surely read it. By the way, I wrote 'static' blade contact because of my lack of knowledge of the english language... what I meant was a "not-instantaneous-and-violent" contact.

  • Schlachtschule

    @KhuranDixal You might want to look for an article by Matt Galas called "Kindred Spirits." He actively compares kenjutsu with the KdF and makes some interesting connections. I think he goes much too far in implying the techniques are the same, missing out on important but perhaps subtle differences, but it is very much worth reading.

  • Schlachtschule

    @KhuranDixal I think several ryu use the bind and thrust idea, but I don't know of any who do it the way the Germans did it. With us, it's not a "static" blade contact, it's an active thing in which you actively feel the bind to tell what you're opponent will do next. In German this is called "Fühlen," and it is a root principle of our art. There are a lot of techniques that seem pretty similar between kenjutsu and the Kunst des Fechtens, but in my experience they are only superficially so.

  • KhuranDixal

    @Schlachtschule Yes, you're right, as far as I know in suriotoshi there is no 'static' blade contact. But I'm sure to have seen something more similar to what you do in some-ryuha's kumitachi... I'll start searching the web. P.S. sorry for my english

  • Schlachtschule

    @Andrhens Thank you. If I keep getting such encouragement, I probably will.

  • Andrhens

    Nice explanation. I hope you continue to post more videos like this one. Keep up the good work!

  • Schlachtschule

    @KhuranDixal Yes, I think there's a lot of similarity. Doesn't suriotoshi involve actively beating your opponent's sword away, however? When I've seen that kumitachi demonstrated, it seems like uchitachi's sword gets knocked down and over to his right side, breaking contact between the blades. In this technique, I am very careful to remain "am schwert" or "in the bind" with my opponent so I can continue to feel his actions through the bind.

  • KhuranDixal

    The first counter shown reminds me the Itto-Ryu Suriotoshi :)

  • Schlachtschule

    @ArkiSilver You're welcome. This was in response to your request.

  • Arki

    Precisely what I was looking for. Thanks a lot!

  • Schlachtschule

    @sirconnor92 You're welcome. I hope this helps people.

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